#89 – Regenerative Grazing Open Air Lab (RGOAL) – Camp San Luis Obispo

This was a really special episode for me.

If you’ve followed past episodes, you’ll remember Major Eric Czaja and his wife Angela, and the Regenerative Grazing Open Air Lab (R-GOAL) about Camp San Luis Obispo — a first-of-its-kind program letting transitioning veterans learn about regenerative agriculture through adaptive grazing aboard a military installation. Eric and Angela invited me out to Camp SLO for a two-day Ranching for Profit course hosted by Noble Research Institute, and while I was there, I got the chance to sit down with the R-GOAL interns themselves — in- person, for the first time in the show’s history.

This conversation includes Major Eric Czaja, plus six members of his team from across the services: Chelsey Chevez (Marine Corps, intelligence specialist), Jacob Isom (Army, 101st Airborne), Omar Huerta (Marine Corps, field artillery cannoneer), Matt Ammel (Army, Special Forces), Eric Morris (Air Force, aircraft mechanic), and Miles Hatch (Cal Poly student and the program’s first non-veteran team member).

As Eric Czaja put it, framing why this program exists at all,

“160,000 service members leave the service every year. Where do you get involved in agriculture? We want to be that opportunity for veterans — which is why we’re all here.”

In this episode, we talk about how the program is scaling from one base to three (Camp Roberts and Fort Hunter Liggett are next) and the leadership lessons each of these folks carries from their time in uniform, or their time in this program and before, into the day-to-day work at Camp SLO.

I also get the chance to have a conversation with a group of veterans about a topic that still doesn’t get enough attention — an honest discussion about suicide, loss of purpose, and how so many of these folks have found that purpose again through this program.

Again, this was a really special episode for me. Enjoy!